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>> caller: i feel sorry for lindsey graham. he embarrasses himself every time he doesn't vote democrat. doesn't he try to make everything scary. everything has to scare the public. has to be scary. has to be foreign so everyone stays scared. it is a warmongering thing and it has to do -- >> bill: everything is all about lindsey me, me, me. >> caller: i'm from illinois and i don't know why rick perry would want me to live in texas. that scares me that he think illinois businesspeople want to go to texas. >> bill: he also thinks california businesspeople want to go to texas too. he did that -- he tried to campaign out there, as well. hey, one other thing i wanted to mention, you probably heard the whining yesterday and no matter where you were, it sounded like sirens. no, they were republicans whining because there were air-traffic control delays yesterday, some flights delayed up to two hours. here's the republican governor of florida, rick scott. >> this doesn't make any sense why are we doing this. it is going to impact delays
>> caller: i feel sorry for lindsey graham. he embarrasses himself every time he doesn't vote democrat. doesn't he try to make everything scary. everything has to scare the public. has to be scary. has to be foreign so everyone stays scared. it is a warmongering thing and it has to do -- >> bill: everything is all about lindsey me, me, me. >> caller: i'm from illinois and i don't know why rick perry would want me to live in texas. that scares me that he think illinois...
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what some advocates, republicans, are saying such as lindsey graham are -- we understand, they say, we understand he's going to be tried in civilian court but start the questioning -- treat him as an enemy combatant under the law of war. question him by intelligence people. get all the intel you can. then turn him over to the civ civilian authorities. that's what they advocate. that's not going to happen, the administration has decided. he'll be questioned first by this special group set up in the last couple of years in terror cases called the high value detainee interrogation group, fbi cia, dod. they don't have a long time to do that, probably no more than a day or so. then he'll be begin his miranda warning and we'll see if he continues to talk. in other terrorism cases, surprisingly, these people do keep talking. >> mike rogers, chairman, do you have a view how he should be treated in the criminal justice system? >> he's a citizen of the united states. i think that brings all of those protections of the u.s. constitution under the public safety exception, however, i do believe tha
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. >> republican senator lindsey graham, another member of the gang of eight, said the attacks should make congress act quicker, not slower when it comes to immigration. >>> to west, texas where invest investigators have located the spot where the explosion occurred but do not yet know what triggered it. >> we have located the seat of the explosion which is important because as we conduct our investigation we'll be working from an outer perimeter inward from the least damage to the greatest damage so knowing the seat of that explosion is important. >> officials say there is no evidence of criminal activity in last wednesday's massive explosion. explosion killed 14 people and injured 200 others. at least ten of the dead were first responders. >>> over the weekend many residents got their first chance to see the damage to their homes. >> my daughter's house is caved in, but we'd at least like to be able to get in and start cleaning up and salvaging what can be salvaged. >> well, the images are devastating and numbers tough to imagine, 189 people are dead in china's sichuan province. 1.5
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lindsey graham and others will say it wasn't enough. not necessarily just 48 hours of vergation, but days and days if not weeks and weeks. that will be a sung for futubje future debate. just ahead, a check of other stories we're following, including serious delays at major airports across the country with fewer people in control towers. we're in store for a lot of waiting. back in a moment with that and all of the late developments out of boston. thank you orville and wilbur... ...amelia... neil and buzz: for teaching us that you can't create the future... by clinging to the past. and with that: you're history. instead of looking behind... delta is looking beyond. 80 thousand of us investing billions... in everything from the best experiences below... to the finest comforts above. we're not simply saluting history... we're making it. >>> welcome back to on a special "newsroom," live from boston. all on the latest on the investigation in a moment. other top stories making news on this tuesday. the tsa has postponed a controversial rule a
lindsey graham and others will say it wasn't enough. not necessarily just 48 hours of vergation, but days and days if not weeks and weeks. that will be a sung for futubje future debate. just ahead, a check of other stories we're following, including serious delays at major airports across the country with fewer people in control towers. we're in store for a lot of waiting. back in a moment with that and all of the late developments out of boston. thank you orville and wilbur... ...amelia......
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one member of the group, senator lindsey graham of south carolina said failing to change the nation's immigration system would be economicide ice oly waymera loses is to do nothing. and to the who bieveat we don'tl immigration in the future, you're in denial about the demographics. and to those who say this costs more to take people out of the shadows and put them a legal status where they pay taxes, you've certainly lost me. that makes no sense. >> warner: for more now we turn to illinois democrat dick durbin, the majority whip in the senate sand a member of the so-called gang of eight. welcome, senator durbin. you all have been working on this non-stop since the start of this congress. how hard was this to forge this compromise? >> this wasn't easy. you know, you have eight willful members of the u.s. senate-- four from each party-- each with a point of view and we came together determined to put together a comprehensive immigration bill task which has eluded other senators in the recent past. we got it done. it's an 848 page bill. it's a good offering, a way to improve this immigra
one member of the group, senator lindsey graham of south carolina said failing to change the nation's immigration system would be economicide ice oly waymera loses is to do nothing. and to the who bieveat we don'tl immigration in the future, you're in denial about the demographics. and to those who say this costs more to take people out of the shadows and put them a legal status where they pay taxes, you've certainly lost me. that makes no sense. >> warner: for more now we turn to...
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graham who say tsarnaev should be consideredn enemy combatant so he can waive his right. others disagree. >> there's plenty of evidence. they don't need it to get him into a trial. i don't think we have to cross the line and say he's an enemy combatant which could be challenged in court. one circuit rules one way, one rules the other way. >> we should reserve the right to look at him as an enemy combatant and continue to look for evidence and if we find evidence and go to him as chuck says and gather intelligence. >> now the suspect's mother says tamer lan was contacted by fbi. the fbi says that is not true but the fbi did interview him in 2011 at the request of the russian government. officials are focusing on a trip he made to russia in 2012. sky news's katie stallard has more. katie, good morning. >> reporter: good morning. yes, we knew that tamerlan traveled to russia in january of last year, they husband with in the country for around six months and during the time he eled to caucasus region. that area might not be popular to all of your viewers but it's a particular
graham who say tsarnaev should be consideredn enemy combatant so he can waive his right. others disagree. >> there's plenty of evidence. they don't need it to get him into a trial. i don't think we have to cross the line and say he's an enemy combatant which could be challenged in court. one circuit rules one way, one rules the other way. >> we should reserve the right to look at him as an enemy combatant and continue to look for evidence and if we find evidence and go to him as...
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we'll talk to senator lindsey graham about this. he is coming up later this hour. bill: meanwhile, martha, a lawyer for tamerlan's widow, american widow is assisting and cooperating in the investigation. her family, the russell family in massachusetts, struggling to come to terms with his alleged involvement. this statement released through her attorney just late yesterday. >> the reports of involvement by her husband and brother-in-law came as an absolute shock to them all. as a mother, a sister, a daughter, a wife, katie deeply mourns the pain and loss to innocent victims, students, law enforcement officers, families, and our community. in the aftermath of this tram did i she, her daughter, and her family are trying to come to terms with this event. bill: so now we're piecing this together the following way. we hear that russell last saw her husband on thursday, only hours before he died in a gunbattle with police in cambridge, massachusetts. she was handing off their 2-year-old daughter to stay with him while she went to work. again, that was thursday of last we
we'll talk to senator lindsey graham about this. he is coming up later this hour. bill: meanwhile, martha, a lawyer for tamerlan's widow, american widow is assisting and cooperating in the investigation. her family, the russell family in massachusetts, struggling to come to terms with his alleged involvement. this statement released through her attorney just late yesterday. >> the reports of involvement by her husband and brother-in-law came as an absolute shock to them all. as a mother,...
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do you think lindsey graham keeps objection general in his office? >> oh, my stars. >> stephanie: he has barely a moment to stop getting the vapors over something. nearly hardly recovered from his benghazi vapors when now he has the vapors over why this guy isn't being treated as an enemy combatant. did jay carney not say it completely like -- there's only one way to say it. it is against the law. he is a united states citizen that committed the crime. jay carney said we will prosecute this terrorist through our civilian system of justice under u.s. law. united states citizens cannot be tried in military commissions. >> if the justice department had tried him as an enemy combatant lindsey graham would have said you're break the law. he's an american citizen. >> stephanie: why didn't we follow donald trump's idea of waterboarding him before he recovered from his throat injuries to see what kind of information we could have gotten. >> water board him while his head is underwater. if he doesn't answer, then we know he did it. >> stephanie: he's dead. no
do you think lindsey graham keeps objection general in his office? >> oh, my stars. >> stephanie: he has barely a moment to stop getting the vapors over something. nearly hardly recovered from his benghazi vapors when now he has the vapors over why this guy isn't being treated as an enemy combatant. did jay carney not say it completely like -- there's only one way to say it. it is against the law. he is a united states citizen that committed the crime. jay carney said we will...
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today on cnn's "state of the union" senator lindsey graham said there were plenty of clues that tsarnaev had been radicalized. >> the ball was dropped in one of two ways. the fbi missed a lot of things, is one potential answer. or our laws do not allow the fbi to follow-up in a sound, solid way. there was a lot to be learned from this guy. he was on websites talking about killing americans. he went overseas, as chuck indicated. he was clearly talking about radical ideas. he was visiting radical areas. it's people like this that you don't want to let out of your sight. and this was a mistake. i don't know if our laws are insufficient or the fbi failed, but we're at war with radical islamists and we need to up our game. >> the chairman of the house homeland security committee is also weighing in on this topic. he told our candy crowley that tamerlan tsarnaev received what he called training while in russia and he thinks tsarnaev made more than one trip to the region. we are learning more about the suspects from the russian republic of dagestan where they once lived. cnn can exclusively rev
today on cnn's "state of the union" senator lindsey graham said there were plenty of clues that tsarnaev had been radicalized. >> the ball was dropped in one of two ways. the fbi missed a lot of things, is one potential answer. or our laws do not allow the fbi to follow-up in a sound, solid way. there was a lot to be learned from this guy. he was on websites talking about killing americans. he went overseas, as chuck indicated. he was clearly talking about radical ideas. he was...
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four our republican senators joined in lindsey graham's call to label him as an enemy combatant. how likely is it at this point that's going to happen? >> i think it's still a call that's yet to be made. you certainly had the democratic senators, some of them will say no. they will follow the same line of thinking that the aclu does. certainly in the sunday show this morning, senator dick durbin said he is opposed to having the trial in the military court. so i think this will play out largely on partisan lines. >> dave, you've done some reporting on this, and it sounds as if, again, there's a d distinction between labeled enemy combatant in terms of being question ed, but at this point it does not seem as it he can be tried as an enemy combatant? >> no. the starting question, enemy combatant for whom? the resolution in 2001 said that, oun enemy combatants are members of organizations that carried out the 9/11 attacks. we're not at war with chechnya, any organization connected to these terrorists so far, we're simply not at war with them. we should be in contact with russians wha
four our republican senators joined in lindsey graham's call to label him as an enemy combatant. how likely is it at this point that's going to happen? >> i think it's still a call that's yet to be made. you certainly had the democratic senators, some of them will say no. they will follow the same line of thinking that the aclu does. certainly in the sunday show this morning, senator dick durbin said he is opposed to having the trial in the military court. so i think this will play out...
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today on cnn's "state of the union," senator lindsey graham said there were plenty of clues that tsarnaev had been radicalized. >> the ball was dropped in one of two ways. fbi missed a lot of things is one potential answer, or our laws do not allow the fbi to follow up in a sound, solid way. there was a lot to be learned from this guy. he was on websites talking about killing americans. he went overseas, as chuck indicated. he was clearly talking about radical idea. he was visiting radical areas. it's people like this that you don't want to let out of your sight, and this was a mistake. i don't know if our laws are insufficient or the fbi failed, but we're at war with radical islamists and we need to up our game. >> defense secretary chuck hagel spoke about the bombings today while on a flight to israel saying, the attack was criminal and every region of the world is not safe from these terrible acts. >> i have not seen any intelligence that would make such a link, but as you know, all of the facts are not in. all of the dynamics and intelligence is not complete and until we know that, un
today on cnn's "state of the union," senator lindsey graham said there were plenty of clues that tsarnaev had been radicalized. >> the ball was dropped in one of two ways. fbi missed a lot of things is one potential answer, or our laws do not allow the fbi to follow up in a sound, solid way. there was a lot to be learned from this guy. he was on websites talking about killing americans. he went overseas, as chuck indicated. he was clearly talking about radical idea. he was...
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host: senator lindsey graham of south carolina. roberta kaplan, who is his audience? guest: two groups talking to. the first is the american people are not unanimous about whether people who entered this country illegally should be able to become citizens one day. so he is speaking to the american people broadly, a minority, but people not get behind a lot of the provisions in the proposal. on capitol hill, there are some people who are very concerned about what happened in t last timerede rgan granted a mass amnesty. there were about 3 million people at the time who re legal aftethat process. what's happened over the last few decades is that people just kept coming back here illegally. that's one of the things people are very concerned about stopping this time. chief among those people is jeff sessions from alabama. he has two major concerns probably will hear about today in the judiciary committee. one is that the influx of workers into the legal system will create too much competition on employment opportunities and wages for american workers. he's also concerned a
host: senator lindsey graham of south carolina. roberta kaplan, who is his audience? guest: two groups talking to. the first is the american people are not unanimous about whether people who entered this country illegally should be able to become citizens one day. so he is speaking to the american people broadly, a minority, but people not get behind a lot of the provisions in the proposal. on capitol hill, there are some people who are very concerned about what happened in t last timerede rgan...
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that was senator lindsey graham. joining us now is rudy giuliani. you were listening to the senate are there. you were nodding your head. >> yes. stuart: let me jump in. this man is a u.s. citizen. is it legit or the executive branch of our government to say, i do not care if you are and i american citizen, you are in enemy combatant, you do not get a lawyer. >> what they would take out a bus station in new york, would they be an american citizen? no. they would be prosecuted in american courts. there was prosecution of a man who alleged to be an american citizen. they said to heck with that. you went to war with the united states. he was executed within three months. there are very strong laws for the fact of whether you are an american citizen or not, you joined a war with the united states, it changes. he has the clerk war against us. how close of a connection was this to al qaeda? i think those are tough questions. i hope the administration approaches this kind of with a legal mind, not a political rights. i would like to push everything in the
that was senator lindsey graham. joining us now is rudy giuliani. you were listening to the senate are there. you were nodding your head. >> yes. stuart: let me jump in. this man is a u.s. citizen. is it legit or the executive branch of our government to say, i do not care if you are and i american citizen, you are in enemy combatant, you do not get a lawyer. >> what they would take out a bus station in new york, would they be an american citizen? no. they would be prosecuted in...
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i don't want to speak for lindsey graham or kelly ayotte, but i think what they would say is we would like absolutely to have the possibility. if there is ticking time bomb let's find out about it. miranda was put into place so you don't have coercion and false confessions under pressure. you don't want to have that but you can prevent that in earth ways too. you can videotape the entire proceeding but you also want to have a more thorough investigation, again because you want to know the methods that are being used. if one of the brothers went to chechnya as we think he did, and was trained by whom or what cells was he told to go back and do this. anytime of your own choosing? will you get a phone call to tell you to do it? was he in touch with other cells may not do something immediately but in three months and at that time people will be killed? i'm absolutely for constitutional questions but it was justice robert jackson who said the constitution is not a suicide pact. to choose not to know is wrong. i want to also raise one other thing and i think senator graham was quite right i
i don't want to speak for lindsey graham or kelly ayotte, but i think what they would say is we would like absolutely to have the possibility. if there is ticking time bomb let's find out about it. miranda was put into place so you don't have coercion and false confessions under pressure. you don't want to have that but you can prevent that in earth ways too. you can videotape the entire proceeding but you also want to have a more thorough investigation, again because you want to know the...
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. >> there's some talk in washington, senator lindsey graham among others, saying that he should be treated as an enemy combatant, at least for a time, to get as much information as they can during the investigation. what's your feeling on that? >> well, i think, first of all, you need the right facts in order to be able to charge that. the federal government is still determining what was the motive of these two young men. are they connected to anybody else? until they do that work, until we finish this investigation, that question may even be premature, unless you have a basis for it. i do think that the federal government has had a good track record in civil cases here, understanding what forum people should be in in order to get the best information. but i think we have to be confident. i am, having worked with them this week, is that they're focused on getting information they need to bring the appropriate charges. they can always be updated. and i think that they will make the right decision based upon what they know about this investigation. >> we heard from the boston police commissi
. >> there's some talk in washington, senator lindsey graham among others, saying that he should be treated as an enemy combatant, at least for a time, to get as much information as they can during the investigation. what's your feeling on that? >> well, i think, first of all, you need the right facts in order to be able to charge that. the federal government is still determining what was the motive of these two young men. are they connected to anybody else? until they do that work,...
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graham and janet napolitano. we will get into it more later. the gist of it is why didn't we know about tamerlan's trip to russia, given the fact that he had been -- he had been, you know, asked questions already by the fbi, and at one point janet napolitano in this hearing today suggested, well he pinged on the way out. we picked him up on the way out. mike levine sailed he was on a very large watch list not a terror watch list that doesn't have a whole lot of significance. the big thing here, bob is are we doing what we need to be doing in terms of keeping track of people who have been on the radar in this country, or are we throwing up our hands and saying we can't find anything on them so we are done with that. >> this is the third time the fbi has let people slip through their fingers. they interviewed the guy before he went to russia. then he went to russia in an area near chechnya and he was there for six months. at that point it would seem to me it would trigger something, somewhere along the line. martha
graham and janet napolitano. we will get into it more later. the gist of it is why didn't we know about tamerlan's trip to russia, given the fact that he had been -- he had been, you know, asked questions already by the fbi, and at one point janet napolitano in this hearing today suggested, well he pinged on the way out. we picked him up on the way out. mike levine sailed he was on a very large watch list not a terror watch list that doesn't have a whole lot of significance. the big thing here,...
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. >> now -- >> senator lindsey graham said he strongly disagrees with the obama administration's decision not to prosecute the surviving boston bomber as enemy combatant saying it was a premature decision. he made these comments at a news conference at the capitol monday. it's 15 minutes. >> thank you for coming. i understand at 2:50 we will have moment of silence for the nation for the victims in boston. i think that is appropriate and i think the president is right to lead that effort. quickly, to the families who have lost loved ones, to those who have been injured, our heart breaks as a nation. to the people of boston, you make us proud by the courage you have shown. to the law enforcement officials and intelligence community, god bless you for hard work and bravery. what brings me here today is i have been informed that the ama administration has indicated the suspect in boston will not be treated as enemy combatant. i strongly disagree with the obama administration's decision to rule out enemy combatant status for the suspect at this time. i believe such a decision is premature. it'
. >> now -- >> senator lindsey graham said he strongly disagrees with the obama administration's decision not to prosecute the surviving boston bomber as enemy combatant saying it was a premature decision. he made these comments at a news conference at the capitol monday. it's 15 minutes. >> thank you for coming. i understand at 2:50 we will have moment of silence for the nation for the victims in boston. i think that is appropriate and i think the president is right to lead...
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on the republican side, senator mccain, senator lindsey graham, senator jeff flake of arizona, senator marco rubio of florida. when you put the eight of news a roornlings you havnewsroom, youl political spectrum. we tried to do our best toeal with immigration in america. it is a substantial chasm america's immigration system is badly, badly broafnl broafnlt it because we estimate there are 11 million people living in tuny . eople that get up and go to work every day, tma have picked the fruits that you put onr cereal this morning. they could be cleaning the room you slept in in chicago. they're spread across the econo. they're hardworking people. but they're undocumented, they have no country. about half them are here because they came initially as visitors or college students, and they stayed. they are here illegally. there are no questions about t they are undocumented. and the questions we've asked ourselves overed and over for the last many years, what are we going to do? in the last presidential campaign, governor romney said they should self-deport themselves, they should leave.
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. >> steve: a lot of people, including lindsey graham r upset. some of the things that were detailed in the complaint came to us from the guy whose car was carjacked. for instance, you probably heard at one point one of the brothers said they were the boston marathon bombers and they wouldn't kill him because he was an american. so in other words, had it have been an american behind the wheel, they probably would have killed him. also, according to the guy who had the mercedes suv hijacked at gun point, at some point the brothers were talking about manhattan. keep in mind, they were talking in russian, so all he could pick up was manhattan. me they also had other bombs. were they headed somewhere else for a second wave? don't know. one other point and that's how were they able to track the car to watertown? the guy who was carjacked left his phone in the vehicle. they pinged it and that's how they found it. >> gretchen: why would they do this? we never really know why because it never makes sense, other than it looks like religion is the reason.
. >> steve: a lot of people, including lindsey graham r upset. some of the things that were detailed in the complaint came to us from the guy whose car was carjacked. for instance, you probably heard at one point one of the brothers said they were the boston marathon bombers and they wouldn't kill him because he was an american. so in other words, had it have been an american behind the wheel, they probably would have killed him. also, according to the guy who had the mercedes suv...
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she told lindsey graham something totally different. what is going on with this cabinet secretary? >> clearly it doesn't work when you have a bombing at the boston marathon and these people are dead and some injured. the system is designed to prevent something like that from happening. so it would be horrible to say the system worked. if you want to say law enforcement afterwards did a good job, i'm all for that. i think they did a fabulous job in catching the guys as quickly maybe as they could. but before hand, the system did not work. now, is that just because of it's so difficult to follow these things or were there specific things they could have done to prevent it? that's a serious question to be asked. >> brian: to finish up, we know the deputy f.b.i. director told senator graham that they misspelled his name, they had no record he was going over there. therefore, there was neaping. the homeland security -- pinging. napolitano says there was a ping. that bothers me that they're not on the same page. i'm not even judging them. but as a person who is an expert in leadership, w
she told lindsey graham something totally different. what is going on with this cabinet secretary? >> clearly it doesn't work when you have a bombing at the boston marathon and these people are dead and some injured. the system is designed to prevent something like that from happening. so it would be horrible to say the system worked. if you want to say law enforcement afterwards did a good job, i'm all for that. i think they did a fabulous job in catching the guys as quickly maybe as...
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john mccain, kelly ayotte, and lindsey graham, peter king think he should be enemy come pattant to allow the feds hold him without attorney and without rights afforded being an american citizen, such as the right to remain silent and right to counsel. graham told fox news it's necessary to protect our nation. >> it would be a shame and frankly unconscionable for our nation to deny our intelligence community, f.b.i., c.i.a. and others access to this pair of suspects to find out where they went and who they know and about future plots. so that's why i've been urging the obama administration to hold him as potential enemy combatant to continue the dialogue apart from the criminal case. >> reporter: on the other hand this has potential to become a political hot potato. the service of the democratic senator carl levin says the suspect should not be held as enemy combatant and says he opportunity see the evidence that tsarnaev is part of organized group and not a legal basis for him to be held as enemy combatant. back to you. >> alisyn: thank you. >> clayton: do the boston bombing suspect expo
john mccain, kelly ayotte, and lindsey graham, peter king think he should be enemy come pattant to allow the feds hold him without attorney and without rights afforded being an american citizen, such as the right to remain silent and right to counsel. graham told fox news it's necessary to protect our nation. >> it would be a shame and frankly unconscionable for our nation to deny our intelligence community, f.b.i., c.i.a. and others access to this pair of suspects to find out where they...